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    WMS update on G+deluxe games

    I have been playing these games quite long time now. So if something not right its easy to notice.
    Anyway recently I realize symbols started to show differently and it's impossible win on them.
    For example: mystical unicorn.
    My local dropped second wild symbol on reel 5. There used to be 2 wild symbol stacked on reel 5. But it's been over 3 weeks it's only one now(it's easy to track)
    Before: Beside unicorn symbols other symbols only comes max 2 of them on a reel.
    Now: other symbols shows up 3 of them on a reel and today I saw 4 of them in one reel stacked. (This happens only one reel not together)
    Have you ever seen unicorn symbol, girl,unicorn,girl,unicorn on same reel?

    I don't know this is legal but game mechanics and symbols totally changed and payback got lowest I have ever seen on any game.

    I even don't have to tell you how Napoleon changed. Brutal.

    So is there anyone seen any changes on their games?

    Also is there anyone notice that why wms games comes very crisp at first and after awhile spins are clumpy and slow? I would like to ask this to wms people at G2E.
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    I haven't noticed anything about the G+Deluxe games and the fact that you are saying that they symbols on the reels seem to have changed just sounds awful!!! However, I was playing Double Money Burst ( The owl one) and it was SOOOO glitchy I stopped playing it. This was at Pala yesterday.
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    Every time I've played Rapunzel the reels spin slow.
    Also, on Bier Haus I've seen other symbols in between stacked symbols. The worst is getting 1 bonus symbol on first reel then get 3 with club in between girls so you can't get bonus. Shady...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retrigger View Post
    Every time I've played Rapunzel the reels spin slow.
    Also, on Bier Haus I've seen other symbols in between stacked symbols. The worst is getting 1 bonus symbol on first reel then get 3 with club in between girls so you can't get bonus. Shady...
    Well, on Bier Haus, the reels will change for each spin. This is common on many games these days. What Blue is describing is a bit different. I'll observe what our set up is when I hit up Foxwoods on a couple weeks.

    Perhaps as the payouts are adjusted the symbols are adjusted too as a way of increasing/decreasing payouts. A good question for WMS when/if we get to chat with them next.

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    Blue, I can tell you a few things that I specifically talked about with the WMS reps.

    first off. the game you notice this the most is JW3. playing it, you know that the bonus symbol shows up a couple places passed the wild reel. well if you get good you notice that the top symbol is just before the wilds. so theoretically you can stop it on the bonus. but what happens when you do it just right and get it to land where you want it to on reel 5. you get a no bonus symbol, but actually a "sliver" of it and a club symbol on the reel spot.

    according to the wms rep that I asked about this, I was told that "the reel strips that you see are irrelevant. the RNG has already decided what you are going to win. If you stop the game, it is processed quicker and you see the glitched symbol."

    what you are seeing is the change in payback percentage, changes the way the reel strips are defined. you are playing on a lower payback percentage than what you were when you noticed originally.

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    interesting thanks for the info

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    Ahhhhhhh thanx riordan.....This was my thinking all along....When it is flashing touch to start the RNG is going through its motions and when you hit START the RNG has already picked out the amount you won. Now it is just showing you that win in the form of the bonus round. Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nautica View Post
    Ahhhhhhh thanx riordan.....This was my thinking all along....When it is flashing touch to start the RNG is going through its motions and when you hit START the RNG has already picked out the amount you won. Now it is just showing you that win in the form of the bonus round. Thank you!
    Thats not exactly what Jason was saying. In fact, each spin in the free spin bonus is unique and pulls separate RNG's. There is no predetermination. Jason is referring to the individual spin results being visually displayed. The visual representation of each spin is shown after the RNG pulls. His point is that stopping the reels early makes no difference visually.

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    I don't play those enough anymore to notice, but I believe you, Blue. Gone are the days when they had to crack open a machine and have a guy from the state there approve any change. All it takes now is a little computer work and - presto - the reel strips change, and the PB% goes down. You know, I think most of the casinos think we're really stupid. The problem is, even if people are ignorant, they'll just play less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DProxima View Post
    Thats not exactly what Jason was saying. In fact, each spin in the free spin bonus is unique and pulls separate RNG's. There is no predetermination. Jason is referring to the individual spin results being visually displayed. The visual representation of each spin is shown after the RNG pulls. His point is that stopping the reels early makes no difference visually.
    Ok so If I understand you correct (and advise is this only on WMS games or ALL MFR in general) that if I hit a bonus and while it is saying "hit start to spin" that the moment I do that, once it give me the first spin that EACH spin after that is getting pulled from the RNG making it completely random after each and every spin? I could have sworn that I read that in the bonus round the RNG goes into the "bonus round calculations" (or what ever you want to call it) and when you hit start the amount pf that bonus was determined at that time. So say if I hit START and I got the rng to stop at $15.45 then it would just show spins that would equal $15.45. Now you are sayin that when I hit START each spin has nothing to do with each other and there was no set amount set in stone at that moment. Damn will I ever get a straight answer LOL/

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