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    Quote Originally Posted by thelma View Post
    Accept the fact that you need to fund the overhead and youíll be fine. Itís all of a matter of who / what youíre contributing to. If you play there youíve agreed to their business model. You do have choice you know. No oneís forced you.


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    Um well yes/no.
    The casinos here in Ontario Canada are all regulated by the AGCO. Also known as the OLG. No one wins with the OLG. They are just a greedy organization that does everything behind closed doors.
    They silently lowered payback percentages last year without anyone knowing. How I found out is the fine print on their mismanaged website. I figured they were up to something when there was a sudden "software upgrade" implemented on many of their slot machines across the province. With the pandemic shutting everything down again,who knows what they are doing now. I don't trust them one bit.

    Last year the OLG spent millions redoing their online casino (coding, rebranding, marketing, and launch mostly), which has been a disaster since launch back in Sept. Biggest issue (still a problem) is the game kicks you out after 5 minutes. They still only host IGT/SG platforms (never got Blueprint like we anticipated). And they only release two games once every few weeks. I for one don't play on the site as you never win on there. Also the payouts are slow.

    There's Seneca across the river, but they are just as bad (if not worse). Seem some questionable things done there in the past. For example, one time I saw them removing machines and replacing them with the exact same looking machines (but they were not the same). I also noticed that Seneca does an large amount of game changes. They tend to over saturate one type of game (and take the variety out). Eg: they must have like 40 stinkin rich games in the new cabinets (but remove old it games and still leave the old ones too). Seneca in the past few years has removed what was considered the "best mix of older slot games" and replaced them with new money tight games that are all the same. They really butchured the game selection.
    They bought hundreds of new machines (from questionable funds) but never once invested in their players tracking systems. By far the worst. Half of the time it never reads your card and you don't get credit for play.

    Anything further out tends to payout better. I been visiting Batavia Downs in NY state more as I find my money last longer (than Seneca). They tend to have a better selection of older games there (and even new ones too).

    My favorite would have to be Turningstone. Its a ways out there, but its larger and has a great mix of older and newer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlotM View Post
    Um well yes/no.
    The casinos here in Ontario Canada are all regulated by the AGCO. Also known as the OLG. No one wins with the OLG. They are just a greedy organization that does everything behind closed doors.
    They silently lowered payback percentages last year without anyone knowing. How I found out is the fine print on their mismanaged website. I figured they were up to something when there was a sudden "software upgrade" implemented on many of their slot machines across the province. With the pandemic shutting everything down again,who knows what they are doing now. I don't trust them one bit.

    Last year the OLG spent millions redoing their online casino (coding, rebranding, marketing, and launch mostly), which has been a disaster since launch back in Sept. Biggest issue (still a problem) is the game kicks you out after 5 minutes. They still only host IGT/SG platforms (never got Blueprint like we anticipated). And they only release two games once every few weeks. I for one don't play on the site as you never win on there. Also the payouts are slow.

    There's Seneca across the river, but they are just as bad (if not worse). Seem some questionable things done there in the past. For example, one time I saw them removing machines and replacing them with the exact same looking machines (but they were not the same). I also noticed that Seneca does an large amount of game changes. They tend to over saturate one type of game (and take the variety out). Eg: they must have like 40 stinkin rich games in the new cabinets (but remove old it games and still leave the old ones too). Seneca in the past few years has removed what was considered the "best mix of older slot games" and replaced them with new money tight games that are all the same. They really butchured the game selection.
    They bought hundreds of new machines (from questionable funds) but never once invested in their players tracking systems. By far the worst. Half of the time it never reads your card and you don't get credit for play.

    Anything further out tends to payout better. I been visiting Batavia Downs in NY state more as I find my money last longer (than Seneca). They tend to have a better selection of older games there (and even new ones too).

    My favorite would have to be Turningstone. Its a ways out there, but its larger and has a great mix of older and newer.

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    Never good when the state runs everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pittsburgh View Post
    The tech is there to do immediate payments as we see with services like Zelle.

    Everything else I agree with. The offers tend to be a joke on FP....I know there were months where I would run through 5-10k dollars (not losses, total wagered) and I would get 20 dollars a week in freeplay.

    As far as going, it will be an event, or I will wait to go to Vegas. I mean hell, even the one local we have that DOES have a hotel you can't get free rooms at it. It literally makes no sense, and add to it my BR goes away sometimes in half an hour it just is not worth it.
    The tech IS there, and the better OL casinos make an effort to do immediate withdrawals but always, even with them, they tend to stall on bigger withdrawals. I do have to say though that the gambler friendly NJ DGE frowns on that behavior -deems it bad publicity for the State and the State's interest in its gambling industry- so if you gripe to them, they give the casino the CHOP CHOP order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thelma View Post
    Never good when the state runs everything.
    Tell me about it.
    It is slowly getting better (as the OLG no longer runs the actual casinos). But I use the term "slowly loosly". Wont know now till next year if any of the changes have been better or not. Fallsview hasn't seen many changes since Mohegan took over. But I'm sure once they reopen many changes will happen (ie: like switching to momentum from OLGs outdated players club).

    Its going to be really interesting what happens to Caesars Windsor as their contract is up and that the OLG is procuring a new operator. My guess is that Hard Rock will aggressively bid as they will want to be closer to their Rivals in Detroit. Pretty sure Caesars is done (and good riddens). They really let that place go.

    Also there was a big accusation with Great Canadian Gaming which involves the Rama property. So expect to see changes there as well.

    Oh and we can not forget about Woodbine (Toronto's only casino). Its being expanded into a mega resort. It will become Canada's second largest casino with close to 5000 machines (increase from 3850). That place is going to be massive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlotM View Post
    Tell me about it.
    It is slowly getting better (as the OLG no longer runs the actual casinos). But I use the term "slowly loosly". Wont know now till next year if any of the changes have been better or not. Fallsview hasn't seen many changes since Mohegan took over. But I'm sure once they reopen many changes will happen (ie: like switching to momentum from OLGs outdated players club).

    Its going to be really interesting what happens to Caesars Windsor as their contract is up and that the OLG is procuring a new operator. My guess is that Hard Rock will aggressively bid as they will want to be closer to their Rivals in Detroit. Pretty sure Caesars is done (and good riddens). They really let that place go.

    Also there was a big accusation with Great Canadian Gaming which involves the Rama property. So expect to see changes there as well.

    Oh and we can not forget about Woodbine (Toronto's only casino). Its being expanded into a mega resort. It will become Canada's second largest casino with close to 5000 machines (increase from 3850). That place is going to be massive.

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    It sounds like they might give you reasons to stick it out. I hope so! Keep us updated. Thanks!


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