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    Winning $1000 is too difficult now

    I dropped $1500 at my local casino on the weekend and it was just the absolute shits. They have so many machines which have high bet to low payout ratio. For example, if you bet $8.80 you are lucky to get a $200 win. Everything that has a $3 to $4 bet, forget about winning more than $100 because that's the new 30 cent bet these days. You absolutely cannot win $1000 with those modest bet amounts any more. Only when you get into the $10 bet range you might have a chance. They pulled out all the older konami games so no more of people betting 30 cents looking for multi hundred spin bonuses.

    For example, I was playing a $9 giant screen 3x3 grid slot and getting triple 7 on a line is only $100 payout. So you get a lot of tiny payouts and maybe temporarily get a bit ahead. There's nothing that will pay you over $100 unless you get 3 wilds/triple wilds.

    Then I mistakenly played an ainsworth using 1 line (5 credit) and didn't realize it was $5 per credit. Several $25 spins (no win) I realized my mistake. And we all know how these games pay.

    I played Lightning Zeus for $6/spin and kept having the left column off by 1 to start a bonus. Eventually I did get 2 bonus for about $6 each. WTF?

    Oh well, another lesson learned of course - the hard way.

    Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob_G View Post
    I dropped $1500 at my local casino on the weekend and it was just the absolute shits. They have so many machines which have high bet to low payout ratio. For example, if you bet $8.80 you are lucky to get a $200 win. Everything that has a $3 to $4 bet, forget about winning more than $100 because that's the new 30 cent bet these days. You absolutely cannot win $1000 with those modest bet amounts any more. Only when you get into the $10 bet range you might have a chance. They pulled out all the older konami games so no more of people betting 30 cents looking for multi hundred spin bonuses.

    For example, I was playing a $9 giant screen 3x3 grid slot and getting triple 7 on a line is only $100 payout. So you get a lot of tiny payouts and maybe temporarily get a bit ahead. There's nothing that will pay you over $100 unless you get 3 wilds/triple wilds.

    Then I mistakenly played an ainsworth using 1 line (5 credit) and didn't realize it was $5 per credit. Several $25 spins (no win) I realized my mistake. And we all know how these games pay.

    I played Lightning Zeus for $6/spin and kept having the left column off by 1 to start a bonus. Eventually I did get 2 bonus for about $6 each. WTF?

    Oh well, another lesson learned of course - the hard way.

    Rob
    It is too difficult. We were warned that as there was saturation that the MO of the casinos was to get your bankroll first, before the competition did. We’re seeing that, and it won’t change
    Condolences. Nothing feels as bad as being had by them without a lick of fun.


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    It's why I chuckle at the youtube guys that are playing 25-50 a spin and say "that's a nice line hit" and its $300. Hell, that and more is gone when the next 8 spins pay nothing. Makes me want to just play high limit reels and hope for the top dollar bonus to pay decently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred1001 View Post
    It's why I chuckle at the youtube guys that are playing 25-50 a spin and say "that's a nice line hit" and its $300. Hell, that and more is gone when the next 8 spins pay nothing. Makes me want to just play high limit reels and hope for the top dollar bonus to pay decently.
    Good observation. Those YouTube players never show their "wipeout" bankroll plays only their big wins and slight loss ones. The math models on most newer machines are more often than not, the experiences you are reading on this post.
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    I feel the same way and it is extremely frustrating. Game selection makes or breaks a trip.
    I love playing certain games but have come to realize that most of the modern games require a bankroll of $2,000 or more to play at max bet. Now I usually play 25c Cleopatra Keno at $2.00 a spin and only play the modern slots when I win a few hundred. If I lose that, I go back to Cleopatra Keno.

    It is so different compared to how I used to play.
    Moved back to Ohio from AZ. Rude awakening. The Ohio casinos are horrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slotspert View Post
    Good observation. Those YouTube players never show their "wipeout" bankroll plays only their big wins and slight loss ones. The math models on most newer machines are more often than not, the experiences you are reading on this post.
    A few of the YouTube players show the ugly and those are the ones worth watching. I watched one in less than 10 minutes blow through $2K betting on average $25 spin on a Lightening Links game and had only one bonus which paid a measly 10x his bet.

    After watching these videos, I'm convinced that the hold variation between penny denomination and higher denominations has virtually disappeared. Everything pays the like pennies.

    I've cut back my play to nearly zero and am enjoying all the extra cash I have on hand. These casinos can GTH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonus Times View Post
    A few of the YouTube players show the ugly and those are the ones worth watching. I watched one in less than 10 minutes blow through $2K betting on average $25 spin on a Lightening Links game and had only one bonus which paid a measly 10x his bet.

    After watching these videos, I'm convinced that the hold variation between penny denomination and higher denominations has virtually disappeared. Everything pays the like pennies.

    I've cut back my play to nearly zero and am enjoying all the extra cash I have on hand. These casinos can GTH.
    I had 1 awesome win last week (not at the casino), but got murdered again this week - at the casino. Out of $1500 lost, my best win was $70 and that was not on a bonus. So I've now put back 2/3 of the $3k I won.

    It's really telling when people are betting $25/spin just to get $1000 wins. $6 or $8.88 is the new $2.50 max bet.

    Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob_G View Post
    I had 1 awesome win last week (not at the casino), but got murdered again this week - at the casino. Out of $1500 lost, my best win was $70 and that was not on a bonus. So I've now put back 2/3 of the $3k I won.

    It's really telling when people are betting $25/spin just to get $1000 wins. $6 or $8.88 is the new $2.50 max bet.

    Rob
    I sometimes think of this in terms of going to the movies, since many of us consider casino gambling as a form of entertainment.

    The average length of a feature film is 110 minutes, and the average ticket price in the U.S. is $12.10. [The average cost of a popcorn and soda, approx. $17.00).

    Now imagine the same popcorn and soda. However, the length of the movie is cut by half and the ticket price at the same time increases by 50%. Can you imagine the theaters charging you $18.00 for admission to a movie that is now only 55 minutes long? Well, that's what the casino industry is doing to players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonus Times View Post
    I sometimes think of this in terms of going to the movies, since many of us consider casino gambling as a form of entertainment.

    The average length of a feature film is 110 minutes, and the average ticket price in the U.S. is $12.10. [The average cost of a popcorn and soda, approx. $17.00).

    Now imagine the same popcorn and soda. However, the length of the movie is cut by half and the ticket price at the same time increases by 50%. Can you imagine the theaters charging you $18.00 for admission to a movie that is now only 55 minutes long? Well, that's what the casino industry is doing to players.
    I'd say it's more like they are charging $100 for 5 minutes of entertainment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob_G View Post
    I'd say it's more like they are charging $100 for 5 minutes of entertainment.

    Rob
    You are absolutely right. I didn't estimate the actual ratio but the principle is still the same. I think payback models have changed too and everything we used to take as fact in this area needs to be verified again. I seriously doubt the differences in payback based on denomination are as wide as they were in the past.

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