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    Yes, MGM and the other “gaming” operators are the problem.
    Moved back to Ohio from AZ. Rude awakening. The Ohio casinos are horrible.

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    Wonder 4 sucks I never win anything good on that machine. Hopefully its gets better for all of us

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    I agree with pretty much everything said here. I definitely think the casinos are setting the newer machines worse. It's pretty noticeable. They seem to set them great for the first month or two then once people start to like them they crank the payouts down all the way. The problem with this strategy is that the bonuses already pay terrible.

    And the new games just aren't fun. The slot manufacturers seem to think that graphics are the most important and not the game dynamics. They just keep cloning the same terrible games, with terrible bonuses and terrible pays. It's kind of sad.

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    I now play less slots and more craps. The casinos haven't messed with the craps table odds much over the years. In Vegas the small tall all bet is lower than my local. However the paybacks on slot machine paybacks are higher in Vegas. I have found MGM properties better than my local (Rocky Gap Maryland) 89% posted paybacks at Rocky Gap. The comps I get in Vegas blow away my locals pitiful offers!

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    Well I am here to tell you there is still hope for fun and not break the bank slotting in Vegas. Just got back from a 3 night all comped no resort fee stay at luxor in Vegas. We had 50 dollars of free play and 100 in resort credits. I had 3 meals from my vegas on face book and the combined with the resort credit which we used for the all day buffet 2 days of food was completely free too. We got there Saturday evening and played 3 hours and then played Sunday and Monday. My wife and I won around 20 to 30 bucks total for the trip. I found that the cosmopolitan was paying well. I saw some of the hottest munchkinland slots I have seen for 2 days. I couldn't get on them as the seats were always taken. They constantly were going off. I saw the ultimate win with 5 wild reels and houses that ended up in a 5900 dollar hand pay(not mine). Bet level was 1.50. My wife and I are min bettors and I had a lot of small hits and bonuses that seemed to keep me close to even the whole time. She was down about 200 hundred on day 2 and hit 250.00 on a new IGT machine at Venetian followed by another 200.00 dollar hit there. That kept her in the green and ahead the rest of the trip. This is what I call a win in vegas. Total cost of trip was under 400.00 after airfare ,food ,taxis, tips and lots of beer and OJ for the wife. I still found the mlife resorts to be slightly tight but much looser than my local rocky gap Maryland. The cosmopolitan seemed to pay decent on this trip. A suit at cosmo claimed it is one of the better payback properties on the strip. All in all for gamblers who generally have 200 dollar or less a day bankroll in vegas it was a good trip!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJinNewkirk View Post
    I am getting more zero bonus's now than ever. We have cut back and may even quit all together. Tribes compact is up come the first of the year, and I sure hope the new Governor does more than just ask for more of the profits. Letting tribes police themselves is equivalent to foxes guarding hen-house.
    The zero bonuses has definitely become a thing, we started noticing that back in the summer, coincidentally right when the compact "negotiations" started. We have quit completely in Oklahoma and won't play again here till there is some regulation, in that time we've played in Colorado, Biloxi, Vegas and St. Louis and the difference in play, BR management and every other aspect was definitely noticeable. What we would lose here in a couple of hours lasted all day sometimes in the states that are actually regulated.

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