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    I have a different take on all this. Corporate greed is an ugly thing. Karma is a bitch though, right now things are good, they can pull this crap. The economy will slow at some point then watch the panic ensue. All of a sudden resort fees will disappear, parking fees will be waved, and bigger free play for every one. I have seen these cycles before. They need the smaller bettors don't let anyone fool you. They represent the biggest % of gamblers in the casino. They are not the bane of the casino they are the average customer and put a lot of dough in the machines! Max bettors are great for the casino but represent a small percentage in the casino. Don't believe me look around when you are in a casino at the bets people are placing.

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    I do feel for those who have to pay a resort fee but I personally would't gamble anywhere that charged me a resort fee. I used to go to the Beau but now predominantly stay at Aria and I've never paid a fee at either property over the past 10 years. Someone mentioned Pearl status at MGM but Pearl is definitely a low roller status in MGM's eyes, especially considering that you can be Gold by merely getting an MGM charge card. All of my slot friends at Aria definitely wrack up Gold in 3 days of slotting, and many do Platinum in 3 days.

    Please note that I'm not trying to diminish low rollers - it is just that Vegas strip properties court higher rollers (those who have at least $7,000-$10,000 a day coin-in).
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmc7 View Post
    I have a different take on all this. Corporate greed is an ugly thing. Karma is a bitch though, right now things are good, they can pull this crap. The economy will slow at some point then watch the panic ensue. All of a sudden resort fees will disappear, parking fees will be waved, and bigger free play for every one. I have seen these cycles before. They need the smaller bettors don't let anyone fool you. They represent the biggest % of gamblers in the casino. They are not the bane of the casino they are the average customer and put a lot of dough in the machines! Max bettors are great for the casino but represent a small percentage in the casino. Don't believe me look around when you are in a casino at the bets people are placing.
    Gambling has grown in the US every year for decades. The same way gambling in Vegas (Clark County) has been strong for over a decade.

    Lets assume there is an economic slow down, why would the casinos, who then might be making less money due to visitor volume, give up a revenue stream like resort fees? They wouldn't. Outside of the government stepping in and forcing change, there is no conceivable reason for any place in town to stop doing them.

    Its easy money. Let's call it a tax on lower rated players. Do you think better players are paying these fees? No, they are not.

    And yes, they need small betters. The same way Coach needs random people to walk in and buy $100 keychains, since the woman spending $2500 on a purse are not as plentiful. But who do you think the sales coupons go out to? Who do you think they cater to? No different in any business.

    While they might be "average" they are, as you pointed out, plentiful. And when little miss minimum bettor doesnt show up, the casino will have more of that type waiting in queue.

    There is zero reason to overly commit to that type of player, they are everywhere. The casino comps, room selection and overall expected service 100% has a pecking order. And that starts from the top down.

    No one is suggesting a suicide mission, and for all low level players to get cut off. But they 100% are not the ones being overly catered to. Dont let anyone fool you into thinking otherwise. Dont believe me? Ask around the casino, go up to those penny pushers and ask them if their room was free. How much free play brought them in to the casino. If their meal tonight is comped.

    Those people mostly show up for the sake of gambling. And that is, as a matter of fact, profitable for the casino. But still not worthy of the Resorts efforts to attract and maintain.

    Dont hate the plyer, hate the game. But it does all make sense. When you pound your fist and yell "I spend dozens of dollars in this joint" see how far they will go to make you happy, compared to the player that just dropped a few grand in the high limit room.

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    I have to respectfully disagree, when the economy slows they can choose to lose most of their business or make a little less by waiving some of the newer fees that have been put in place during the upswing. The gambling market is a crowded one and a competitive one and I can tell you in my experience when the economy slows offers sweeten up for everyone. I remember my offers during the slow times in vegas during the housing crash out there. They were a lot better and resort fees were waived. They needed players period. My offers depending upon the time of year I go offer no resort fees sometimes and other times you have to pay. That tells you that the casinos are trying to entice guests based on the amount of people going. There are many theories of how to run a business and I run one too. When things slow down you better offer a lot better deal than the guy down the street in a highly competitive market or customers will leave. That has always been my theory and I think a lot of data backs it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmc7 View Post
    I have to respectfully disagree, when the economy slows they can choose to lose most of their business or make a little less by waiving some of the newer fees that have been put in place during the upswing. The gambling market is a crowded one and a competitive one and I can tell you in my experience when the economy slows offers sweeten up for everyone. I remember my offers during the slow times in vegas during the housing crash out there. They were a lot better and resort fees were waived. They needed players period. My offers depending upon the time of year I go offer no resort fees sometimes and other times you have to pay. That tells you that the casinos are trying to entice guests based on the amount of people going. There are many theories of how to run a business and I run one too. When things slow down you better offer a lot better deal than the guy down the street in a highly competitive market or customers will leave. That has always been my theory and I think a lot of data backs it up.

    If Vegas casinos eliminate the income from "The average player" and start depending on the income from only the "High Rollers" they would close their doors within a year. It's common sense. Here's a crazy example but it's true. If WalMart raised their prices because they only wished to attract the "Big spenders" they'd be gone in no time. it's the "Average guy" that keeps them in business. These "Average guys" spend millions on air fare to Vegas...on hotels and rental cars and taxis in Vegas..on food in Vegas ...on gambiling in Vegas and on entertainment in Vegas. And they are paying the unnecessary hotel fees. Take that income away and again Vegas would fold.

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