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    Exclamation Interesting Scenario i caught on youtube with 2 slots machines with exact lineup

    Ok so i was watching 2 youtube videos for the game mega vault and both are bonus videos. Both videos have the SAME EXACT scenario happen for both the 4th and 5th spins. The exact symbols and exact pattern but different videos.

    I noticed both videos has the same exact scenario happen with the exact same symbols. Can anyone explain, this makes me think slots are actually rigged... what are the odds.


    Watch the last spins before they hit, the EXACT symbols and EXACT multiplier lock happens. EDIT: THE 4th spin is the same exact spin to

    So the exact same bonus is literally happening the same on 2 different machines.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStCkvuYvBE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2MmU6nAjTU


    5th SPIN IN BONUS


    2nd



    4th SPIN IN BONUS



    2nd




    WHAT are the odds?
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    this is just another example of what I mean by relatively random....also LOVE the screen name
    Quote Originally Posted by slotsdrainthebank View Post
    Ok so i was watching 2 youtube videos for the game mega vault and both are bonus videos. Both videos have the SAME EXACT scenario happen for both the 4th and 5th spins. The exact symbols and exact pattern but different videos.

    I noticed both videos has the same exact scenario happen with the exact same symbols. Can anyone explain, this makes me think slots are actually rigged... what are the odds.


    Watch the last spins before they hit, the EXACT symbols and EXACT multiplier lock happens. EDIT: THE 4th spin is the same exact spin to

    So the exact same bonus is literally happening the same on 2 different machines.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStCkvuYvBE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2MmU6nAjTU


    5th SPIN IN BONUS


    2nd



    4th SPIN IN BONUS



    2nd




    WHAT are the odds?

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    And I just found a third video with identical spins -- this one at a $2 bet level.

    That's at least 3 videos of bonuses with the exact same spins on the bonus.

    In fact, all three videos show a bonus with the exact same win multiplier - 4641.5x wins!!! The bonuses are identical!

    Something very strange. Could bonuses on MegaVault be predetermined from the trigger? And why? To limit its potentially crazy volatility?
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    I'd say you caught 'em, Chief. I notice irregularities and same patterns coming up all the time. Most folks aren't swift enough to notice. This is the world that we live in - the regulators don't care, the enforcers don't enforce, the mongers of goods and services are laughing all the way to the bank and us sheep just bend over and take it.

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    Wow you got a sharp eye!
    Doesn't surprise me though. Living in Silicon Valley and working 40 yrs in electronics this makes perfect sense.
    That is still an impressive hit. The clones probably do the same exact sequence with different symbols.

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    The machine could still be "random" in that it randomly chooses from a set of bonuses that still, over the life of the machine results in the required payout percentage... And I doubt anyone is complaining about a 4641.5x win.

    But still, it's strange.
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    Quote Originally Posted by feelinlucky? View Post
    I'd say you caught 'em, Chief. I notice irregularities and same patterns coming up all the time. Most folks aren't swift enough to notice. This is the world that we live in - the regulators don't care, the enforcers don't enforce, the mongers of goods and services are laughing all the way to the bank and us sheep just bend over and take it.
    Nothing mischievous about it. The games have predetermined payouts, we all know that. This game is just possibly a product of lazy game design, only giving one path to a certain win as opposed to multiple different ways to end up with the same result.

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    In video #1, the uploader responds to a "where?" comment with Quil Ceda Blvd, which is Tulalip Casino in WA. This is a Class II state.

    In video #2, the uploader (different person) mentions Tulalip Casino as well.

    In the third video, posted by Reckless Bets, the uploader (different person again) responds to a query about "where?" with Emerald Queen Casino... which is in Washington.

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    What you're seeing here is exactly how Washington Class II machines work. In a Class II environment, multiples of the same machine are grouped together and each spin "pulls" from a fixed set of results until there are no more results left in the pool to pull from. Then the set of results regenerates and the group of machines starts all over.

    Think of it like a box of pull tabs with a fixed number of winners. Add up the results of every ticket on the box and you'll end up with the game's designed payback %.

    To tie this analogy back to these 3 videos, it's clear that there is a result of 4641.5x your bet multiplier in the pool of results for these banks of machines in these specific locations (and possibly elsewhere in Washington). Each one of these 3 people found this 4641.5x result. Furthermore, the programmers of this machine coded the display on the reels to play through identically for whatever reason (probably thinking this would never matter).

    Thus, this is a non-issue -- this is just how Class II machines in Washington (and maybe elsewhere) work.

    The real kicker and cause for suspicion would be if you ever saw this occur in Class III environments (Vegas, California, etc.), where each spin in each bonus is assumed to be random.

    More background on Washington Class II machines here: http://www.heraldnet.com/news/why-tr...slot-machines/
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    In other words, assume these Mega Vault machine-groups in a particular casino has a total of exactly 1 Million Results. In this 1 million, there exists one and only one golden spin that will give you 4641.5x your bet.

    (This may or may not be exactly true, but I'm just creating an example here)

    Now that result is gone from the pool, it will not return until all 1 million results have been consumed by the group of machines. The only catch is, though, that you have no idea how many results are left -- could be 999,999, could be 1.

    But once they're all consumed, that 4641.5x result will respawn in the next pool of 1 million and now you have a chance to hit it again. But again, you have no idea when the pool will regenerate since you don't know how many results are left.

    In the end, that means that, in theory, if you have an infinite amount of time and an infinite amount of money, you will hit that exact 4641.5x bonus result over and over as you cycle through each of the 1 million results repeatedly.

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    You bring up a good point that they're class II machines. I played MegaVault at Winstar during its very limited time there and don't recall seeing a bingo pattern anywhere on the screen so I'm not sure they had the class II version or not.

    Maybe displaying the bingo pattern for class II is just a Oklahoma requirement? Or these are a different, non-bingo-breed of Class II.
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