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    Titan 360 in 2018 at NA casino! Why?

    Visited my local NA casino, Chukchansi Gold, this past Sunday and was shocked to find Titan 360 on the floor! Especially I had been there within one week. It is the 2 cent version which I had not seen at other casinos. I saw and heard about couple of big winners but I didn't get a chance at a progressive when I played it and the base game was lousy for me.
    Aquarius in Laughlin still has Titan360 but when I see it no one is playing it. I think the novelty will wear off quickly and it will sit empty. Any fans still out there?

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    they have one at my "local" MD Live ive seen several people hit off a $1 bet . . ive tried it a couple times but hasn't done anything for me

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    Played it at Winstar the last time we were down that way, not impressed in the least.

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    Yes, these have been moving around for awhile as they've come and go from other locations. While it was impressive to look at and watch, I never did well on it when I tried it at Coushatta (when they had it) and Winstar. It eats a lot of money with little payouts, especially at .02 denomination.

    I think Konami has marketed these to primarily regional Indian casinos now as I don't think anyone in Vegas has it on the floor anymore.

    The novelty of it does wear off quickly, especially when players try it and win zippo or don't trigger the Ring bonus. Many casinos started it at .02 denoms and eventually went down to .01 denoms to get people to play it. Otherwise, it sat empty.
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    The 2c denom is too expensive for most players. Unless its the older version (with the key trigger) it wont be popular very long.

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    Konami did a nice job of creating a game to take up a ton of floor space that pisses off the players so much that they won't play it after a couple tries

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    Titan 360 was once on the floor of Potawatomi Casino (NH) for several months and then was replaced with the Harley Davidson Slots. With Harley Davidson being manufactured in Milwaukee that really took off and there are lines of people waiting to get on these machines. I was once lucky to get the mega spins but it really didn't amount to much and since then haven't had much desire to play this game.

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    We're actually bringing it back for our non-smoking section next month! When it left here it didn't make sense to keep it due to the high daily fees at the time but I was recently offered a deal I couldn't refuse. When we had ours it paid out a ton of jackpots. That was my gripe with the game is that so much of the payout went to the bonus that if you didn't get into the bonus you'd probably not have a great experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warren View Post
    We're actually bringing it back for our non-smoking section next month! When it left here it didn't make sense to keep it due to the high daily fees at the time but I was recently offered a deal I couldn't refuse. When we had ours it paid out a ton of jackpots. That was my gripe with the game is that so much of the payout went to the bonus that if you didn't get into the bonus you'd probably not have a great experience.
    You don't have to answer for this specific machine, but what sort of daily fee range do manufacturers typically charge casinos?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorcho View Post
    You don't have to answer for this specific machine, but what sort of daily fee range do manufacturers typically charge casinos?
    The following answer is in regards to casinos who own most of their games and only lease games when they have to. (versus some casinos who choose to lease all the games on their floor) Leased games fit into a few different categories. Games that have licensed intellectual property (such as "Wizard of Oz" or "Harley Davidson") typically have 3 different lease models.

    The 80/20 split (where the casino keeps 80% of the revenue and sends 20% to the manufacturer, sometimes with a daily maximum cap)

    The flat daily fee

    The percentage of coin in. Games with Wide Area Progressives (WAP's) are always (as far as I know) charged by a percentage of coin in which typically ends up costing the casino about 35% of the revenue of the game. A high performing WAP game can easily cost 3 to 4 times as much in fees as a flat fee game. That's why operators don't like them. Give us a choice and we'll choose non-WAP every time. (But they don't give us a choice)

    So, for flat daily fees, the standard for a long time for games with licensed IP was $75 per game per day. Then, the manufacturers upped it when they thought they could like if they had a game that they felt was going to be really strong, $80, $85, and even $100. Later, non-IP licensed games that manufacturers created in house came out with lower fees, like $55-$65. Some even as low as $35 per game per day. While the Titan 360 didn't have licensed IP, they felt it would be strong (and for a time it was) so the fees were high.

    There's also another revenue model, where the casino owns the cabinet but just pays a reduced daily fee to use the software. Fees here might be $15-$25 per game per day.

    There are ways to get the fees lower, like committing to a certain number of games for a certain time period. A lot of corporate deals are done this way.
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