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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorcho View Post
    There's a lot to be said about having no pesky building to maintain, no salaries to pay out, no lights to keep on, etc.

    I'm not sure what the current landscape is for online slotting since I gave it up once the US decided we were all criminals, but back in the "wild wild west" of the early 2000s I used to bounce from online casino to online casino (all overseas-based, of course) taking advantage of some pretty lucrative sign-up and/or deposit bonuses. Back then, payouts were advertised in the 95-98% range and the hits were plentiful. In fact, my first "handpay" was an online slot. 7-5xwild-5xwild for a cool $1850.

    Anyway, I still don't believe that one can tell so easily the difference between a 90% and 88% environment, but once the gap widens to an online 95% vs a B&M 87%, it's quite obvious. This gap has got me to switch one of my 2 annual Vegas trips to Reno going forward.
    Yup, that switch to Reno you've made is why I thought of you.
    The OL slots for the most part are abt 94-96%. Most actually state what the PBs are in the Rules/PT/Info section.

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    Scorcho, I have to agree with you about playing free slots online...I used to play them on Facebook and some of them were 'real' games that you can find in the casino....they were of course so absolutely loose and the bonuses would always come and I think they gave you like $10,000 fake money to play with...To me, this was just not fun. The only thing that I did enjoy about it was that I was able to try out a lot of games.

    When NJ made online gambling legal again 3 years ago, my father and I each put in $50 on a site...we cashed out and split $1,500...we were forever hooked! Since then, I have lost more than I have won, but I have had a lot of nice payouts (the biggest was $800 for an 80 cent bet on Black Knight 2). My father actually won $2,300 on a 35 cent bet on Super Monopoly Money.

    I do not know much about payout percentages (94%, 98% ect.)....I do know that I have been playing on a few sites for a few years and have enjoyed winning (and losing slightly more).

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    I don't trust myself enough to play online. Even if the payback % is better, personally it's probably best I don't even get started.

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    Playing slots in the Casino, assuming NO malfunctions, you are pretty much guaranteed that if the WIN box shows $XXX, that you will win that amount.
    What safeguards* are in place when gaming on-line?
    Right now (using AC as an example), the casinos (especially on weekends) are packed with gamblers; if on-line gambling should become super popular would that negatively affect the bttom lines of LIVE casinos operations?
    If at some future date a GAS shortage occurs, people may just stay home and gamble on-line.
    *For 10 years Madoff was selling what seemed to be a safe and "above board" investment product...until it wasn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nrr View Post
    Playing slots in the Casino, assuming NO malfunctions, you are pretty much guaranteed that if the WIN box shows $XXX, that you will win that amount.
    What safeguards* are in place when gaming on-line?
    Right now (using AC as an example), the casinos (especially on weekends) are packed with gamblers; if on-line gambling should become super popular would that negatively affect the bttom lines of LIVE casinos operations?
    If at some future date a GAS shortage occurs, people may just stay home and gamble on-line.
    *For 10 years Madoff was selling what seemed to be a safe and "above board" investment product...until it wasn't.
    They're regulated by the State of NJ. The same oversight by the DGE as the AC casinos.
    In my experience with a complaint to the DGE about one OL casino, the DGE was quick and tough on the casino

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenthbowl View Post
    I don't trust myself enough to play online. Even if the payback % is better, personally it's probably best I don't even get started.
    This is a good point for everyone who one day will find they are able to legally gamble OL in the USA (because it's coming; the revenue is too tempting for States and casinos to ignore).
    You can set Limits on your account: daily, weekly, and monthly. Deposit limits, playing limits (amt spent, time, etc). It's a good 'governor' for those who aren't disciplined.
    In NJ, there are also 'cooling off periods' (along with self exclusion, either limited or lifetime) where your account is locked for a chosen period of time (month, 6 months, a year).
    The politicians are sensitive to the nay sayers when gambling is legalized; they are bombarded with warnings of social costs due to the certain percentage of folks who will be problem/addicted gamblers. Thus, measures to 'help', and to deflect criticism I think.
    If you don't believe there are costs to 'communities', know this: PA just recently passed a law that required all casinos to move their ATMs off of the gaming floor.
    Ask what they were 'responding to' when they decided to require this...
    IF you need discipline when OL gambling, make use of the tools they have in place. They are good aids.

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    To nrr's comment--->I have been playing a handful of Online Gambling sites for 3 years. I have NEVER had a problem getting my money that I won and they always paid what the slots said should be paid.

    To be fair, you can deposit money instantly in a matter of seconds. To get your money back (I have it put right to my bank account) you usually have to wait at least 2 days. Some sites take a little longer to give you your money and some sites make it a bit more involved (like one site will e-mail you a code and you have to put the code in. There was a couple of times the code did not come right away and I had to call to get it).

    All in all, though, Online gambling has provided me with many, many hours of enjoyment and that is all I can ask for. Sometimes I win, and a little bit more times I lose...that is exactly what will happen in a real casino.

    A growing trend now is that they actually have LIVE DEALERS on these sites. You can go and play live table games like roulette, blackjack and baccerate (sp?). It was a bit freaky when I first tried it--->the girl there said 'Hello' to me and started chatting with me. You can see her spin the ball and it is totally legitimate.

    I am not sure how I feel about it. It is good that I can play (again, sometimes I won and sometimes I lost), but now I am afraid that it will lower the site's slots odds...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus2017 View Post
    To nrr's comment--->I have been playing a handful of Online Gambling sites for 3 years. I have NEVER had a problem getting my money that I won and they always paid what the slots said should be paid.

    To be fair, you can deposit money instantly in a matter of seconds. To get your money back (I have it put right to my bank account) you usually have to wait at least 2 days. Some sites take a little longer to give you your money and some sites make it a bit more involved (like one site will e-mail you a code and you have to put the code in. There was a couple of times the code did not come right away and I had to call to get it).

    All in all, though, Online gambling has provided me with many, many hours of enjoyment and that is all I can ask for. Sometimes I win, and a little bit more times I lose...that is exactly what will happen in a real casino.

    A growing trend now is that they actually have LIVE DEALERS on these sites. You can go and play live table games like roulette, blackjack and baccerate (sp?). It was a bit freaky when I first tried it--->the girl there said 'Hello' to me and started chatting with me. You can see her spin the ball and it is totally legitimate.

    I am not sure how I feel about it. It is good that I can play (again, sometimes I won and sometimes I lost), but now I am afraid that it will lower the site's slots odds...
    I would like to add for clarity RE my previous reply that my 'issue' with one OL site that the DGE resolved was not about being paid; I have never had a problem with any of them about that, just like you. and I have found that Borgatacasino.com is fastest; ACH transfer to my bank account is usually done overnight. Harrahs takes the longest, and if a W2-G is involved, add an extra 2 days (NOT necessary; the others manage to pay you a heck of a lot quicker).

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    Thelma, those are great points about the online tools to 'aid' your gameplay. I actually used one of them on one of the online sites. I put a block on my account for 60 days. It was not because I was losing money---->it was because I was losing money AFTER being ahead! I would get a couple of bonuses or hit something nice and be up a good bit of money. Sometimes, unfortunately, this happened VERY early on in my gaming session. Unlike my father, I never leave money on the site. When I am done playing, I cash out. So, when I hit something big early, I really do not feel like cashing out yet...This turned out to be bad a few times because at one point I was up something like $200-$300 and wound up losing my initial $240-$260. So, in order to 'penalize' myself and take a break, I put a block on the site where it would not let me log on even if I wanted to!

    I actually just played that site last night and took my $260 and turned it into $1016.93! Hooray! I am debating if I want to put my screenshots into the 'Winners' category. I am a bit nervous about it doing and a bit superstious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus2017 View Post
    Thelma, those are great points about the online tools to 'aid' your gameplay. I actually used one of them on one of the online sites. I put a block on my account for 60 days. It was not because I was losing money---->it was because I was losing money AFTER being ahead! I would get a couple of bonuses or hit something nice and be up a good bit of money. Sometimes, unfortunately, this happened VERY early on in my gaming session. Unlike my father, I never leave money on the site. When I am done playing, I cash out. So, when I hit something big early, I really do not feel like cashing out yet...This turned out to be bad a few times because at one point I was up something like $200-$300 and wound up losing my initial $240-$260. So, in order to 'penalize' myself and take a break, I put a block on the site where it would not let me log on even if I wanted to!

    I actually just played that site last night and took my $260 and turned it into $1016.93! Hooray! I am debating if I want to put my screenshots into the 'Winners' category. I am a bit nervous about it doing and a bit superstious.
    I'm not superstitious about that. I see it this way: do I WIN when I don't post pictures? No... hahaha
    So I will post this picture here just for you (I've found that people aren't interested in wins from OL slotting here; they don't 'relate' because they aren't in a State that legalized OL gambling and thus they don't play OL and have no experience in that kind of play/that kind of 'winning'. It seems that people need to be able to correlate the experience of others with themselves to be interested. They need the neural pathways primed with 'dope' to get that good feeling when viewing wins that others have gotten. That's why I don't bother posting photos from OL play/wins. It was a waste of my time since folks here have no interest.)
    Though... there are a few New Jerseyans here who DO play OL and they are probably interested - but again, not enough to make it worthwhile posting.

    Anyway, this is a line hit from Cleopatra Plus (a though game! But tough because the potential is HUGE; this hit is just a crumb compared to the potential in this game):

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