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    And actually, if you factor out table games, MGM was even more of a failure...

    February Numbers

    MD LIVE - $29 million in VLT, $17 million in Table Games

    MGM - $23.7 million in VLT, $22 million in Table Games

    http://gaming.mdlottery.com/wp-conte..._slots-TG-.pdf

    I'm just saying... people aren't stupid. They can tell when the slots don't pay well and will drive a longer distance to not feel cheated...

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    I'm the one saying you can't rely on these numbers. I only bring up the comparison between January and February because you said people were "reverting" back to their old casinos. There's a difference between reverting back to a casino and never making the switch to begin with. If it turns out you're actually saying that people didn't go to MGM to begin with because they heard their slots were tight, I'll again reply that it's too early to say that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Coaster View Post
    I'm the one saying you can't rely on these numbers. I only bring up the comparison between January and February because you said people were "reverting" back to their old casinos. There's a difference between reverting back to a casino and never making the switch to begin with. If it turns out you're actually saying that people didn't go to MGM to begin with because they heard their slots were tight, I'll again reply that it's too early to say that.
    No, I am saying that people checked it out for a month but were disappointed. At least every single person I know in real life that plays slots who has gone has said that. Now they are either going back to Charles Town or Maryland Live (depending on if they live in VA, DC, or MD). You compared February revenue with January revenue to say their numbers weren't down. My point was that, that's not really a fair comparison because usually you have to compare year over year how a casino did the same month, because they project different revenue based on the time of the year... and MGM wasn't around last year so that comparison is impossible to make.

    The better comparison is the relevant share of the market the casinos are attracting. After a month or so of checking it out, MGM's share is down, Maryland Live's is back up... and Maryland Live is doing better than it was projected to after MGM's opening. Indeed, I was at Maryland Live a few weeks ago and the employees at there were wearing T-shirts that said "Welcome Home." I asked another patron what this meant and they specifically said it was referring to all the customers who were disappointed with MGM "cheating them" who found their way back to Maryland Live.

    At any rate, I'll repeat... when you have a massive billion+ resort property that is shiny and new and far closer to the DC metro area and it's generating less revenue (and less revenue per machine) than a casino attached to a mall an hour north of DC, then something is wrong and MGM has to know it. I would have loved for MGM to be a nice place to gamble... it's 20 minutes from my house and very upscale... I was very much looking forward to it opening... unfortunately, it's just horrible IMO and didn't live up to expectations on many levels.

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    I know I've articulated a lot of these points before, but it does bear repeating.

    MGM is not a bad place in and of itself. But the casino is much to be desired -- especially the casino design. Many, many people -- myself included -- have complained about the narrow aisles in the banks of slot machines, and it's a huge problem especially on busy weekends (Saturday nights, mostly). The slots are quite wishy-washy, but lately they just seem a lot tighter than Maryland Live!'s slot machines. Most of the machines are multi-denom, so I will sometimes switch the denom to nickels or even dimes so I can at least cover all the lines without upping my bet. (It's better to bet 40 nickels at 1 nickel per line than 200 pennies at 5 pennies per line.) Their big turnoff is their blackjack tables.... after three months open, they still have way too many 6-5 blackjack tables, and their table limits are usually out of reach for my typical play. I don't mind playing $10-15 blackjack, but you have to bet at least $25-50 minimum to get a good 3-2 S17 table.

    At least MD Live! (and to a lesser extent, Charles Town) are still decent places to play... especially MD Live!. The slots tend to be much looser up at MD Live!, especially with my recent handpay I got, and their blackjack is now the best in the state. Always 3-2 blackjack, always S17, always (late) surrender available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrakusJS View Post
    I know I've articulated a lot of these points before, but it does bear repeating.

    MGM is not a bad place in and of itself. But the casino is much to be desired -- especially the casino design. Many, many people -- myself included -- have complained about the narrow aisles in the banks of slot machines, and it's a huge problem especially on busy weekends (Saturday nights, mostly). The slots are quite wishy-washy, but lately they just seem a lot tighter than Maryland Live!'s slot machines. Most of the machines are multi-denom, so I will sometimes switch the denom to nickels or even dimes so I can at least cover all the lines without upping my bet. (It's better to bet 40 nickels at 1 nickel per line than 200 pennies at 5 pennies per line.) Their big turnoff is their blackjack tables.... after three months open, they still have way too many 6-5 blackjack tables, and their table limits are usually out of reach for my typical play. I don't mind playing $10-15 blackjack, but you have to bet at least $25-50 minimum to get a good 3-2 S17 table.

    At least MD Live! (and to a lesser extent, Charles Town) are still decent places to play... especially MD Live!. The slots tend to be much looser up at MD Live!, especially with my recent handpay I got, and their blackjack is now the best in the state. Always 3-2 blackjack, always S17, always (late) surrender available.
    Yeah exactly. There is no doubt that MGM is a nicer building in and of itself... and the food options look better (though I haven't stayed long enough to eat there) but it's not worth going to when they set their slots the way they do... and the aisles are ridiculous as you mention... I can't believe they didn't think it was absurd how tightly they packed them the moment they put them in.

    I agree MD Live is better to play overall (though still not really great compared to Atlantic City in my opinion)... MD Live also seems to have gotten worse with its comps. I think they realized MGM was a flop and are already not even trying hard to compete.

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    Disappointing to here continued crappy stuff about MGM national harbor. I always stay at Mlife properties in Vegas and I am happy with the comps. I am a min bettor generally as is my wife. We play on one card and get free rooms and some food while in Vegas. I was hopeful when MGM opened a property closer to me. From what I am hearing I am gonna take a hard pass. There is a bus going down April 1st but I will hold off and save bankroll for Vegas. In the bigger picture it is sad the greed that is going on at casinos. I would love to see a casino that would set all games pennies through dollars at a 90% payback. I think the whole give higher paybacks on higher denomination machines and fleece the pennies sucks. How refreshing it would be to know all the machines were set the same. Lord knows the casino would still make plenty!

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