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    Does the amount you bet matter more for comps or the total bet in a session?

    I always assumed it didn't matter. As long as the end result was you cycled say 5K through their machines it didn't matter if it came from a shorter session doing max bets between $3 and $5 or a longer session betting between $1 and $2 per spin.

    However, I was just watching one of Brian Christopher's videos and he was using a friend's player's card because he was low rolling as opposed to max betting, noting it would negatively affect his comps to low roll after only exclusively max betting.

    Anyone know the answer to this? If he's right, that's BS, but it would explain why my Foxwoods comps have been going down the toilet recently despite cycling(losing) the same amount through their machines per session. The only difference is I haven't been max betting as much recently because I was sick of going through my bank roll so quickly most sessions.

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    It would be very hard or impossible to say for sure unless you knew all the details about the system that particular casino is using.

    But first, we have to clarify the terminology. Casinos typically let players (who use a card) earn "comps" and/or "points, or cashback-for-points". Comps are used for restaurants and retail, cashback is given back in cash or as free play on slots. Sometimes casinos have players earn these separately. Other casinos combine them together (possibly with a different rate, for example if you choose cash or free play you'll get half of what you would get in retail) Casinos can issue comps and/or cashback based on play or based on theo win.

    Free play offers are completely separate. By reading your post above I think you are talking about free play offers. Formulas that generate free play offers can range from very basic to extremely advanced, and everywhere inbetween. So, here again unless you really knew how their formula works it would be hard to tell for sure.

    While it is possible that Foxwoods is using average bet as part of the formula for determining free play offers I would say that is unlikely. Maybe someone with more experience at Foxwoods will chime in.
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    I have heard that future offers are based on average bets too but I can't think of a casino that I play at that uses it either.
    Most places do it by how much coin in you cycle. Of course if you bet larger you are more likely to cycle more and get more points. But I found no matter how I get to $3000 coin in for example I'll get the same freeplay and hotel/food offers as long as I stay consistent.

    One of my local casinos though bases freeplay offers on how long you stay on the same machine.
    I am a high card level there and play a lot but move around a lot and get $10 freeplay. They will give me discretionary comps all the time since I play a lot but my mom who is a low card level at the same casino once played just one game there for 5 hours betting 50 cents then left and got $50 freeplay for a while from it. So it may be true that they do it by avg bet but hard to say unless you experiment with it.

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    Depends on the casino and your history with them, how long you've been there consistently. It can make sense for a casino to be optimistic you just need to spend more time there. If you give 2 hours at a higher level, they'll hope for 4 hours, but if you give 2 hours high level and 2 low level, best they can hope for is 10 high and 10 low, if you played 24 hours, and there would be risk it'll all be on the lower level. I wouldn't worry about it too much, you can't play for comps for too long without getting beat badly at that game too.

    I can tell you my sister put like $4,000 coin in two days in a row, weeks apart and still wound up being dropped from getting mail. There was more too it, that she collected $5 free play twice after with little play, but it was still unexpected. I was thinking she would get $50 total a week more or less, but it was zero. She won both days she played heavy, maybe that had something to do with it.
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    sounds to me like she was being penalized for playing smart and winning, just doesn't make any sense.
    Quote Originally Posted by onenickelmiracle View Post
    Depends on the casino and your history with them, how long you've been there consistently. It can make sense for a casino to be optimistic you just need to spend more time there. If you give 2 hours at a higher level, they'll hope for 4 hours, but if you give 2 hours high level and 2 low level, best they can hope for is 10 high and 10 low, if you played 24 hours, and there would be risk it'll all be on the lower level. I wouldn't worry about it too much, you can't play for comps for too long without getting beat badly at that game too.

    I can tell you my sister put like $4,000 coin in two days in a row, weeks apart and still wound up being dropped from getting mail. There was more too it, that she collected $5 free play twice after with little play, but it was still unexpected. I was thinking she would get $50 total a week more or less, but it was zero. She won both days she played heavy, maybe that had something to do with it.

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    I find moving around a lot is generally key to life support of the br, occasionally we all stumble across a machine which affords the luxury of a longer playing session but it doesn't seem to happen often enough. That whole fp benefit based on length of time on one game seems almost criminal lol
    Quote Originally Posted by kdk View Post
    I have heard that future offers are based on average bets too but I can't think of a casino that I play at that uses it either.
    Most places do it by how much coin in you cycle. Of course if you bet larger you are more likely to cycle more and get more points. But I found no matter how I get to $3000 coin in for example I'll get the same freeplay and hotel/food offers as long as I stay consistent.

    One of my local casinos though bases freeplay offers on how long you stay on the same machine.
    I am a high card level there and play a lot but move around a lot and get $10 freeplay. They will give me discretionary comps all the time since I play a lot but my mom who is a low card level at the same casino once played just one game there for 5 hours betting 50 cents then left and got $50 freeplay for a while from it. So it may be true that they do it by avg bet but hard to say unless you experiment with it.

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    I think the total amount cycled through is the most important but I've heard that in some casinos the length of time to get to that is a factor, so if you are max betting for 1 hour vs. low rolling for 4 hours and cycle through the same amount, the casino would slightly prefer the 1 hour case. But who knows if that's true (?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by newenglander82 View Post
    I think the total amount cycled through is the most important but I've heard that in some casinos the length of time to get to that is a factor, so if you are max betting for 1 hour vs. low rolling for 4 hours and cycle through the same amount, the casino would slightly prefer the 1 hour case. But who knows if that's true (?)
    Which leads me to the following hypothetical question...
    i.e. Player "A" is betting $1 a spin and spinning rapidly, Player "B" is betting $2 a spin but playing more slowly, at the end of one hour they have cycled thru the exact same amount. Would or should their points earned be the same?...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich99 View Post
    Which leads me to the following hypothetical question...
    i.e. Player "A" is betting $1 a spin and spinning rapidly, Player "B" is betting $2 a spin but playing more slowly, at the end of one hour they have cycled thru the exact same amount. Would or should their points earned be the same?...
    Well who knows what exactly casinos are thinking or how specific they get with their comp offers, but I would guess in that scenario that the vast majority of casinos would give them the same amount of points or comps. I think they want max betting in quick periods of time so people get off the machines, but I doubt they'd get so granular with their data that they look at $1 vs. $2 spins in a one hour period if the end result is the same amount cycled through in the same amount of time.

    I could even argue that the person betting $1 a spin in that scenario is more likely to lose money because they are spinning twice as many times and therefore more likely to revert to the mean expected amount (i.e., losing).

    So yeah, just my conjecture but I'd guess they'd get the same amount of points/comps in that hypo.

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    My Host says only 3 things determine the amount of FP for a slot player

    1 Hours played per visit
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