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    Total rewards card ??

    Ok, so if I'm playing the slots and using my wife's total Rewards card (trying to chunk up some credits) and I hit a Hand pay jackpot... Do I have to call my wife over to collect my winnings? Or will the casino pay me ? Even though my name is not on the Rewards Card in the machine. We play at Harrahs Ac mostly and never had this situation present itself ..... YET!

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    This happenEd to my husband and he just said he put my card in by mistake and produced his card. Doubt they would care since the attendant didn't give him any grief over it.

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    I have had this happen at Harrah's AC. No problem at all. However, I needed to wait for new papers since they arrived with them already printed out.

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    Thank you all for the info. I'll be at Harrahs in 2 weeks and now if the wife and I play on different sides of the casino, I won't worry in the event of a big win! Ahh... it's nice to dream!!

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    Depends on the casino, but typically it doesn't matter whose player's card is in the machine. It's whoever pressed the button, which in large jackpots can (and usually must be) verified by surveillance.

    In some cases (as previously mentioned), paperwork arrives pre-printed with information from the players card, but from what I've seen they show up with blanks, get the information (name, SSN, amount, etc.), reset the machine and come back later with the printed paperwork and winnings from the cage.

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    A slot tech once told me it doesn't matter who's card is in the machine. If you are sitting at the machine and you hit a jackpot or hand pay, they pay you.

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    I've won jackpots while playing with my husband's card in the game and had no problems collecting.

    I will say that when we went to Four Winds in MI, I asked for a 2nd card since my husband didn't want to get his own card. The employee in their players club told me that she would give me one but if someone other than myself was playing with it in and won a jackpot, they would not pay it. I have no idea if that's true or not since we only went to this casino once and didn't win

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    Here's a cautionary tale:

    All sisters-in-law Jill and Laura Waters of San Marcos wanted to do that night in late May was earn enough credits on their Casino Pauma rewards cards to get two free sets of china.By the end of the evening, they were banished from the casino for life, accused of being money launderers and denied the $2,000 jackpot they had won.

    Here’s what happened, according to the women:
    It was getting late, and the women had earned enough points playing slots to receive the dishes. They were thinking about leaving until an announcement came over the loudspeakers at midnight about $1 hot dogs. Laura Waters went to get some franks for the two of them. Her card was in a Super 8 Race slot machine, and Jill Waters took her sister-in-law’s place in front of it.
    The women said they visit various Indian casinos, share their cards and split their winnings.
    On this night, one yellow car, two cars, then eight cars popped up on the slot machine’s screen. It seemed to take forever for the last wheel to stop spinning: another car. Jackpot. $2,000.
    “I’d never seen anyone get all nine symbols,” Jill Waters said.
    Laura Waters, 62, had returned by then with the hot dogs. Because it was her card in the machine, she took over the spot that Jill had occupied temporarily.
    Eventually, a casino worker came over. Laura Waters gave the employee her driver’s license because jackpots surpassing $1,199 must be declared for tax reasons. Fifteen minutes went by before a security agent approached the women and asked who pushed the winning jackpot button, the sisters-in-law remembered.
    Jill Waters, 57, said it was she and explained why they later switched seats.
    The security agent began shaking his head and repeating the words “malicious intent” and later “seat switching,” the women recalled.
    One thing led to another, and finally the women were led to a hallway in the back part of the casino. They were followed by several security guards.
    “They remained behind us like a barrier,” Jill Waters said. “I guess they thought two old ladies were going to bolt and make a run for it.”
    Then, the women said, they were taken into a locked room.
    “The next thing I see was a bench with built-in handcuffs,” Jill Waters said. “This was not a commissioner’s office. It was an interrogation room.”
    A guard was posted at the door while another man began filling out paperwork, asking Jill Waters questions such as whether she had any scars or tattoos and what her maiden name was.
    “We were uncomfortable but still trying to laugh about it. We were waiting for someone to come in with common sense and explain what was going on,” Jill Waters said. “But no one ever did.”
    Their photographs were taken and copies of their driver’s licenses were made, the sisters-in-law recounted.
    Hours had gone by when the women had some papers put in front of them. It was explained that by signing the papers, they were acknowledging that they were banned from the casino and could be arrested if they ever tried to re-enter.
    “I said, ‘Whatever, whatever. I just want to get out of here.’ So we signed,” Jill Waters said. The women said they were then escorted out of the casino, right past a mound of boxes containing the china sets they sought.
    Later on, when they scrutinized what they had signed, the women realized they were considered “undesirables.”
    “We have never been called anything so ugly and malicious in our entire lives, we didn’t do anything wrong,” Jill Waters later wrote in a letter to the California Gaming Commission.
    Calls to Casino Pauma’s head of marketing last week went unanswered.
    A Friday visit to the casino led to a short interview with security supervisor Jacob, who declined to give his last name. He said the rules are straightforward: Whoever pushes the button is the jackpot winner. If someone else tries to claim the winnings, it’s considered tax evasion and money laundering under Title 31 of the United States Code.
    “It’s a violation of the law,” Jacob said, but enforcement is up to the supervisor in charge at the time. “It’s kind of a gray area.”
    Gaming experts said that sometimes, especially when large jackpots are hit, people will try to get someone else to claim it. Perhaps they hope to avoid being taxed on the winnings. Perhaps they have had legal problems and a term of their probation is not to gamble. Perhaps they don’t want their spouse or former spouse to know they have come into some cash.
    Jacob said Jill and Laura Waters can appeal to the tribal gaming commission, which they haven’t done.
    Jill Waters said she called the number on the forms the next morning to start the appeal process but was told there was no way she was going to get her money.
    So she wrote the letter to the California Gaming Commission and sent copies to the state attorney general; to Al Majel, a Pauma gaming commissioner; and to a representative of Stand Up California, a statewide organization that focuses on gaming issues.
    Last edited by AMorris; 01-05-2017 at 12:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMorris View Post
    Here's a cautionary tale:

    All sisters-in-law Jill and Laura Waters of San Marcos wanted to do that night in late May was earn enough credits on their Casino Pauma rewards cards to get two free sets of china.By the end of the evening, they were banished from the casino for life, accused of being money launderers and denied the $2,000 jackpot they had won.

    Here’s what happened, according to the women:
    It was getting late, and the women had earned enough points playing slots to receive the dishes. They were thinking about leaving until an announcement came over the loudspeakers at midnight about $1 hot dogs. Laura Waters went to get some franks for the two of them. Her card was in a Super 8 Race slot machine, and Jill Waters took her sister-in-law’s place in front of it.
    The women said they visit various Indian casinos, share their cards and split their winnings.
    On this night, one yellow car, two cars, then eight cars popped up on the slot machine’s screen. It seemed to take forever for the last wheel to stop spinning: another car. Jackpot. $2,000.
    “I’d never seen anyone get all nine symbols,” Jill Waters said.
    Laura Waters, 62, had returned by then with the hot dogs. Because it was her card in the machine, she took over the spot that Jill had occupied temporarily.
    Eventually, a casino worker came over. Laura Waters gave the employee her driver’s license because jackpots surpassing $1,199 must be declared for tax reasons. Fifteen minutes went by before a security agent approached the women and asked who pushed the winning jackpot button, the sisters-in-law remembered.
    Jill Waters, 57, said it was she and explained why they later switched seats.
    The security agent began shaking his head and repeating the words “malicious intent” and later “seat switching,” the women recalled.
    One thing led to another, and finally the women were led to a hallway in the back part of the casino. They were followed by several security guards.
    “They remained behind us like a barrier,” Jill Waters said. “I guess they thought two old ladies were going to bolt and make a run for it.”
    Then, the women said, they were taken into a locked room.
    “The next thing I see was a bench with built-in handcuffs,” Jill Waters said. “This was not a commissioner’s office. It was an interrogation room.”
    A guard was posted at the door while another man began filling out paperwork, asking Jill Waters questions such as whether she had any scars or tattoos and what her maiden name was.
    “We were uncomfortable but still trying to laugh about it. We were waiting for someone to come in with common sense and explain what was going on,” Jill Waters said. “But no one ever did.”
    Their photographs were taken and copies of their driver’s licenses were made, the sisters-in-law recounted.
    Hours had gone by when the women had some papers put in front of them. It was explained that by signing the papers, they were acknowledging that they were banned from the casino and could be arrested if they ever tried to re-enter.
    “I said, ‘Whatever, whatever. I just want to get out of here.’ So we signed,” Jill Waters said. The women said they were then escorted out of the casino, right past a mound of boxes containing the china sets they sought.
    Later on, when they scrutinized what they had signed, the women realized they were considered “undesirables.”
    “We have never been called anything so ugly and malicious in our entire lives, we didn’t do anything wrong,” Jill Waters later wrote in a letter to the California Gaming Commission.
    Calls to Casino Pauma’s head of marketing last week went unanswered.
    A Friday visit to the casino led to a short interview with security supervisor Jacob, who declined to give his last name. He said the rules are straightforward: Whoever pushes the button is the jackpot winner. If someone else tries to claim the winnings, it’s considered tax evasion and money laundering under Title 31 of the United States Code.
    “It’s a violation of the law,” Jacob said, but enforcement is up to the supervisor in charge at the time. “It’s kind of a gray area.”
    Gaming experts said that sometimes, especially when large jackpots are hit, people will try to get someone else to claim it. Perhaps they hope to avoid being taxed on the winnings. Perhaps they have had legal problems and a term of their probation is not to gamble. Perhaps they don’t want their spouse or former spouse to know they have come into some cash.
    Jacob said Jill and Laura Waters can appeal to the tribal gaming commission, which they haven’t done.
    Jill Waters said she called the number on the forms the next morning to start the appeal process but was told there was no way she was going to get her money.
    So she wrote the letter to the California Gaming Commission and sent copies to the state attorney general; to Al Majel, a Pauma gaming commissioner; and to a representative of Stand Up California, a statewide organization that focuses on gaming issues.
    This is unbelievable! The lesson is: never go to Casino Pauma.
    Moved back to Ohio from AZ. Rude awakening. The Ohio casinos are horrible.

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    That's an interesting case that has always made me wonder what was really going on. Follow up stories have indicated that they did get their money but remain banned from the casino. The other story also noted that Jill owed money to the IRS at the time of the win.

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