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    VGT red spin bingo reels!

    Being in west Arkansas, the closest casinos we have are eastern Oklahoma Indian casinos, which are known for the Class II bingo slot machines. My favorites are the Lucky Ducky, Crazy Bill's and the other 3 reel slots with the red spin features.

    I've been playing these pretty heavily since early summer, and I think I've finally got them figured out. To be honest, it does take a little of the fun away knowing how the bingo numbers and patterns work, and once you learn a certain game's patterns and payouts, you often have a good idea what's gonna come up when the machine red spins. I still get pleasantly surprised, but it doesn't happen often anymore. Here's what I've learned so far...

    You can watch the screen before playing; it will cycle through all the winning bingo patterns and what they pay on each bet. I've seen people under the assumption that they have to "wait" or "pick" a pattern to go for lol. They don't realize it's just "advertising" so to speak.

    Red spins occur when you have more than one winning bingo pattern on your card. The spins are awarded from lowest to highest. For example, if you get a red spin after getting mixed bars, the red spin will be something equal to or greater than the mixed bar payout. If you get more than 2 winning patterns, it will continue to red spin until all patterns/payouts have been awarded. I once seen a machine go red on mixed bars, then the machine proceeded to red spin AT LEAST 7 times after, with the last spin being triple bar, duck, duck on a quarter machine for over 400. My personal record so far is 5 red spins on Lucky Duck for over 900 on a dollar slot.

    You get a new randomly generated bingo card every time you hit the spin button. Right below where your card is displayed, you can see all the bingo numbers that have been called so far. You'll see a set of gold/orange numbers, then you;ll see a set of white numbers that are "called" by the machine every second or so. Here's the catch...you only get a payout for a bingo pattern if that pattern is made up of the gold/orange numbers. The white numbers being called out will be marked on your card, but you can't win anything off them. As more white numbers are called, the more impressive your bingo cards look as you hit the spin button, but still, you only get credit for patterns made up of gold numbers. Think of the white numbers as a countdown to the next bingo game; once all the bingo numbers have been called, a new game is started and the gold/orange numbers are changed. When a new game is started, 38 numbers are randomly generated to be gold "winning" numbers and then the server begins calling out the rest of the numbers in white until they have all been called again.

    Different casinos have different winning patterns; at one casino here, a triple bars payout on Lucky Ducky is getting a peace sign on the bingo card, whereas at another casino the same payout is achieved by getting an "L" pattern. Again, the numbers making up these patterns have to be in the gold/orange section. You can also get what I call a "double trigger" on the same pattern. My local Lucky Ducky machines have an "anchor" pattern that gives you 2 double bars and a duck for 120 credits max bet. However, if all the gold numbers that make up that pattern are also in the FIRST 27 gold numbers listed, it will turn red and hit the anchor pattern again, but this time you will get the scattered 3 ducks for an additional 480 credits. There are 3 patterns that I know of that hit this way: champagne glass, anchor, and quotation mark I believe. These are also the highest hits you can get without hitting the jackpot, hence the reason they're so hard to hit.

    There are some anomalities I haven't been able to understand yet though. For example, the "cross corner" bingo pattern on Lucky Ducky is a small cross in the center of the card plus all four corner spaces. Normally, you will get credit for just the small cross first, then get a red spin that hits the cross corner pattern, which is displayed on the reels as two mixed bars and a duck. However, sometimes I've hit this without a red spin; I'm puzzled over why it doesn't always red spin when you clearly have 2 winning patterns in one. I've also hit some really big hits that just roll down without red spinning at all; most big hits are complicated patterns that also contain other smaller winning patterns within them.

    I think I'm starting to ramble lol...but I hope that this may help anyone who plays these games and maybe has a hard time understanding when and where the red spins come from. Yes, once you learn all the patterns, it does take some of the thrill of a red spin away...unless you have a pretty full card and it red spins; so many bingo combinations are possible at that point and it happens so fast and you don't have time to see which numbers on your card are in the gold or white category. I wish there was an option to hide the bingo card from view; that would really make it exciting.

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    I haven't noticed the different patterns at different casinos, but I agree with everything else you've written. A couple of things to add: What you want to look for are possible winning patterns, for example are you consistently getting patterns where you could win if you had the right numbers. If the patterns are mostly ones where no win is even possible, you might as well not stay at that machine or maybe even whole bank of machines. Some bad signs: consistently getting full cards where you win nothing and when red spins are scarce after wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moneybags View Post
    I haven't noticed the different patterns at different casinos, but I agree with everything else you've written. A couple of things to add: What you want to look for are possible winning patterns, for example are you consistently getting patterns where you could win if you had the right numbers. If the patterns are mostly ones where no win is even possible, you might as well not stay at that machine or maybe even whole bank of machines. Some bad signs: consistently getting full cards where you win nothing and when red spins are scarce after wins.
    Yeah, each time I spin I look for at least the mixed bar pattern. If I keep getting bad cards, I cash out. I try not to give a machine more than 15 spins with no winning hit. These machines are extremely streaky at times; just in 10 spins I've been up over 300 on a quarter machine before, then see it go dead without hitting a single winning pattern for $30 or so on a .75 bet. Then there are some that won't get you way ahead, but also seem to give you your money back regularly before you're down too much. So far, I have to say I've had the worst luck on Mr Moneybags and Gems & Jewels though; those don't seem to like me that well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironfreak247 View Post
    So far, I have to say I've had the worst luck on Mr Moneybags and Gems & Jewels though; those don't seem to like me that well.
    Heh heh. Just keep at it. My last handpay was on Gems & Jewels:

    http://slotfanatics.com/showthread.p...got-a-handpay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moneybags View Post
    Heh heh. Just keep at it. My last handpay was on Gems & Jewels:

    http://slotfanatics.com/showthread.p...got-a-handpay!
    You aren't Mr. Moneybags for nothing!

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    Nice hit! I've seen a lot of your big hits..hope to have that kind of luck soon!

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    @Ironfreak. When the Indian casinos here in So Cal were fighting the "Governator" for more slots, casinos were installing these type of video bingo machines (CLASS II) to skirt around the 2,000 CLASS III (vegas-style) machine max. under the old 1999 compacts. What you are really playing is an electronic version of instant bingo. You are competing against everyone else in the casino against a bingo draw. I had seen banks down because there were not enough players to create a "group draw" according to a slot attendant. There had to be a min number of players according to California laws regarding bingo.

    These are how the machines work in practice:

    When you sit at the machine, put your money in, and hit the play button, you have activated a draw. All the players who have hit the play button at the time you had, are entered automatically into the same bingo draw.

    The bingo draw is done by a central server through a random number generator that is connected with that bank of machines. The result is then sent to the bingo machines (more like terminals), and it displays the result on the bingo card screen.

    The machine will determine which bingo pattern you have achieved, send that result back to the central server to score your pattern via pari-mutuel. Meaning if your pattern was rare win, or not a lot of people had your pattern, you could win good money. On the other hand, if your pattern was caught by a lot of people, you perhaps would either win nothing or very little.

    The machines will then show that result through a "reel" display as a result of the bingo draw. Meaning if you won 10 dollars on the bingo card, the reels would spin to a result that would show a win of 10 dollars. The reels are only for "entertainment purposes only" as it is often marked on the machine. You can change the bingo card on your screen if you desire, but in the end, the return is very simillar to any slot machine. I have played these machines before, and saw very little difference in return compared to regular CLASS III vegas-style slots. The only difference is that there is a momentary delay when the reels are spinning as the machine is waiting for a bingo draw and determining wins and losses.

    California casinos no longer have these machines, as the tribes have negotiated new compacts, and since then have been allowed to go beyond 2,000. Some are unlimited licenses, means potentally mini-Foxwoods casinos. However they have to pay up to 25% of the profits.

    We were going to get a Foxwoods in San Diego and it was going to be the largest casino on the west coast, but the locals around protested, so it really has not happened yet.

    If you need more advice about these machines, let me know. I have played them before.

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    Thanks for the info jmbo!

    Yeah at my local NA casino it's easy to tell which games are networked together. It's usually all the games that have the same type of pay table and "rules" (symbol multiplication, winning patterns, top jackpot) that are networked. You can tell because all the winning gold numbers and white numbers being called are the same and they reset at the same time.

    The interesting thing is the "competing" against other players. I read about this and I did notice that the machines seem to have a better hit frequency when the casino is not too crowded...a moderate crowd at 930 on a weeknight seems to be the best scenario. You would think your chances would be better when the casino is dead, but I've yet to have a good day when the conditions are like that.
    It's also common to see the message "waiting for other players" when playing bingo machines during a slow period. One of our casinos' machines do this regularly while the other's will never do this no matter if the casino is empty...weird. It also seems to do this only on machines that have a progressive jackpot; the vgt reels I play have never done this to my knowledge.

    Also, in our machines the bingo card is changed every time you hit the spin button. The winning numbers stay the same while the rest of the numbers are called, (usually takes about two minutes or so) then the winning numbers are reset and the rest start being called again. All the while you're hitting the spin button getting a different card each time.

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    jmb, don't believe everything you read about Class II. Most of it was written as propaganda from one side (the Indians) or the other (the traditional casino establishment). The Indians make it sound like a traditional bingo game, with cards, calls, etc. The traditional casino establishment makes it seem like it's terribly complicated and unfair. Both are untrue.

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    The more and more I learn about Class II the more grateful I am I don't have to play them. Good info guys!
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