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    Are players getting frustrated with the new super volatile slots?

    I noticed a trend lately, and curious if its happening at other casinos too.
    When one of the casinos here first put in a bank of Wicked Winnings 3 and Samurai's Honor, they were all busy. However, it seems that not even two months later they all sit empty.
    At the same casino, they put in some Awesome Reels too. Those get played when the casino is busy, but most of the time they are empty too.

    At another casino, I see their WW3 hardly get played either.

    I know that any of us on this forum are more "educated" slot players. I say that because we know that those machines are super volatile, you might have to bet for hours at minimum bet in order to hit anything big, or we have witnessed photos of big wins.

    However, the casual slot player doesn't know this. I see people put in a $20 and not get a single payback, and look frustrated at the machine. I also have heard people play these and complain that the casino has really tightened up lately.

    I'm thinking that these games aren't doing well, most people will give up on them before they get or even witness a big win. Has anyone else noticed this?

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    These games are "gambler" games. You're right, for the casual gambler, these games would definitely be discouraging. I think that unless people are like us, they have no idea what the heck is going on other than thinking "boy have slots changed" which they have, but at least we keep up with them and understand what is going on!!! We also know which games suits us and which ones don't but the casual gamblers don't know the difference.
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    I think you hit the nail on the head kdk. People do confuse high volatility with machines being tightened. On these machines maybe 2 out of 10 players walk away with nice hits which means the other 8 are not happy campers. So 80% of the people you talk to will certainly concur that "this machine sucks".

    Most people will never comprehend that they're only seeing 1000 spins out of 2 billion possible combinations each time they play. Anything can happen in this situation but there are many more losing combinations to pull from.


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    What I hate more is the high hit frequency of tiny win, no win, half win. It is as if they are programming what was a lucky streak in the past but without winning anything to cash out with. I don't play the new machines like Hangover because I hate them and get no feel playing it. With where the penny game has gone, you have to switch the old rule backwards to not play anything you can afford, because chances are you will not be able to afford it.
    Seems obvious the player base is being cannibalized trying to push people to the point they won't come back because they have to as a business strategy.
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    I think people are getting discouraged with the new slot volatility. I hat the new High 5 IGT games where a full screen at full bet ($2) pays $12.

    The machines I am enjoying these days are high payout on mid size bets and $0.05 and $0.25 seem to be getting the majority of my play. Mainly older games that are 15-20 lines.

    I like to play Hangover for the entertainment value and every once in a while you can make some nice $ in the bonus's or the random wild drop ins.

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    I guess I am more of the casual gambler who plays A LOT. Anyway, I don't alway read what's going on with slots now-a-days. I like to just play and relax my mind. That said, I find I get some nice hits with The Hangover slots and typically the wins will be $10+ on a basic spin with min. bet but 4 screens. I also find that if on the "right" machine the bonus opportunity comes around pretty frequently. With games like Awesome Reels I find that rarely do I get an Awesome Reel and rarely does the X2, X5, X10 ever show up with a winning combination so I will get out after $20 and move on. Now games like Mystical Unicorn, The King and the Sword, Jungle Wild III, Bier Haus, Etc. I find that getting into the bonus is HARD. Getting a sweet payout on a mininum bet can be difficult as well. Some of these games I can put an easy $60 though on a min. bet before I might get a nice hit to put me back in the game meaning $10-$20. Finally, I love WW3 but have to admit I can put $100 on min. bet and that 200 spins can go by rather quickly with or without a decent payout. I think it was Loser AKA Boo who put $300 though a WW3 game and it wasn't until his 4th $100 bill that he finally got some action. I kind of feel as if we have to "pay in advance" for the wins we will receive. In otherwards, once you have lost $50 then the machine will pay you $55. I know that definitely happened to me recently with the major progressive on The King and the Sword game. The progressive got up to $453 by the time I won it but I had put close to $400 through the machine as I refused to give up by that point and finally it did happen. So yes, this is all a bit frustrating.

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    I forgot my famous mathematician paraphrase. It is a million times more unlikely for someone to win $2,000 betting $2 on BJ than someone betting $100. They use high volatility to make gamblers make more small bets which ensures they have very little odds of hurting the casino financially if even for a day. I brought up the Hangover which is in fact 200 individual 1c bets and not 1 $2 bet. In other words the casino has very little risk. Unless people change their habits, the casinos will be happy to continue the menu they are serving them.

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    I am so thankful for this forum, I use to only play $1 or $5 reel games. I preferred something with a bonus, like WOF or anything with a free game feature. I never played the .01, .05 or .25 machines. Thanks to being educated here and watching the videos of these fun machines and actually understanding how they play and what is what, I love them! I am one who cannot just put a $20 in and quit, I believe in trying for a while. Thanks SF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdk View Post
    I noticed a trend lately, and curious if its happening at other casinos too.
    When one of the casinos here first put in a bank of Wicked Winnings 3 and Samurai's Honor, they were all busy. However, it seems that not even two months later they all sit empty.
    At the same casino, they put in some Awesome Reels too. Those get played when the casino is busy, but most of the time they are empty too.

    At another casino, I see their WW3 hardly get played either.

    I know that any of us on this forum are more "educated" slot players. I say that because we know that those machines are super volatile, you might have to bet for hours at minimum bet in order to hit anything big, or we have witnessed photos of big wins.

    However, the casual slot player doesn't know this. I see people put in a $20 and not get a single payback, and look frustrated at the machine. I also have heard people play these and complain that the casino has really tightened up lately.

    I'm thinking that these games aren't doing well, most people will give up on them before they get or even witness a big win. Has anyone else noticed this?
    Hi kdk:

    I think you are right. Slot companies kept amping the volatility -- because that's what players have been attracted to. Aristocrat lead the volatility charge for a long time -- and there are lots of fans on this site. Some of the slots like Wicked Winnings III and Awesome Reels may be finally testing player tolerance for volatility. It will take more time to know the real story.

    Many people agree with me -- it's time for a volatility rating scale. Player satisfaction is very tied to expectations.

    If you know Wicked Winnings III is one of the most volatile games on the floor, a player can:

    - Decide if they still want to play
    - Adjust their bet accordinging
    - Set a limit accordinging (and the limit may be higher -- because of the higher potential to win big)
    - Set a limit to "walk away".

    Player's get upset when they think they are playing JACKPOT PARTY CLASSIC, and they are playing Wicked Winnings!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Shamus View Post
    Hi kdk:

    I think you are right. Slot companies kept amping the volatility -- because that's what players have been attracted to. Aristocrat lead the volatility charge for a long time -- and there are lots of fans on this site. Some of the slots like Wicked Winnings III and Awesome Reels may be finally testing player tolerance for volatility. It will take more time to know the real story.

    Many people agree with me -- it's time for a volatility rating scale. Player satisfaction is very tied to expectations.

    If you know Wicked Winnings III is one of the most volatile games on the floor, a player can:

    - Decide if they still want to play
    - Adjust their bet accordinging
    - Set a limit accordinging (and the limit may be higher -- because of the higher potential to win big)
    - Set a limit to "walk away".

    Player's get upset when they think they are playing JACKPOT PARTY CLASSIC, and they are playing Wicked Winnings!!

    /\/\/\/\ the Shamus /\/\/\/\
    That's a great idea, a volatility scale or rating on the machine. I noticed that Aristocrat has been expanding the "win your way" feature to some of their older games like Miss Kitty, seems like players like that. I think that helps players understand what they are getting into.

    By the way I first tried Awesome Reels back in June in Vegas before I had ever witnessed a photo or video and after putting in $60 betting minimum at two different casinos, I just hated them. It wasn't until I saw your videos that I gave them another chance and have now had some wins on them.

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