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    I was watching an episode of the original To Tell The Truth this morning and the contestant was a blackjack and roulette dealer. One of the panelists (either Tom Poston or Johnny Carson) asked contestant #1 what number a dealer has to stand on. Two answered "17" and the other said that you hit a soft 17 and stood on all other 17s. I was surprised. This episode must have been from around 1961 (Carson was a guest on the panel from 60-62) and I had always been told that hitting on soft 17 was something casinos added more recently as a way of adding to their edge, but obviously it is something that has been around the game for much longer than I thought.

    I wonder how long the soft 17 rule has been in use.

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    just learned sdguy1234 is a character on the new walking dead 2 slot coming out! how freaking cool is that!

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    At least the Walkers can't talk. I couldn't play a machine that cussed back at me every five seconds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Coaster View Post
    I was watching an episode of the original To Tell The Truth this morning and the contestant was a blackjack and roulette dealer. One of the panelists (either Tom Poston or Johnny Carson) asked contestant #1 what number a dealer has to stand on. Two answered "17" and the other said that you hit a soft 17 and stood on all other 17s. I was surprised. This episode must have been from around 1961 (Carson was a guest on the panel from 60-62) and I had always been told that hitting on soft 17 was something casinos added more recently as a way of adding to their edge, but obviously it is something that has been around the game for much longer than I thought.

    I wonder how long the soft 17 rule has been in use.
    dumbing in here, Uncle Coaster...what's a soft 17 versus other 17's.

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    Not a dumb question. A soft 17 is a 17 that includes an Ace where it could be counted as either 7 or 17. In blackjack, an Ace can be either 1 or 11 depending on what the player chooses. So a hand of A-2-4 could be either 7 or 17 and is considered a soft 17. It is slightly favorable to the player if the dealer stands on soft 17 rather than hitting it and giving them a chance to improve their hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Coaster View Post
    Not a dumb question. A soft 17 is a 17 that includes an Ace where it could be counted as either 7 or 17. In blackjack, an Ace can be either 1 or 11 depending on what the player chooses. So a hand of A-2-4 could be either 7 or 17 and is considered a soft 17. It is slightly favorable to the player if the dealer stands on soft 17 rather than hitting it and giving them a chance to improve their hand.
    thank you for the explanation.

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    I'm going to rant a little here (and I'm also going to complain about complaining).

    Played blackjack with a guy this weekend who kept complaining about the cards and casino being against him...and then kept pulling more and more money out of his pocket and buying back in. We hear the same thing from slot players ad nauseam. This casino is so tight, blah blah blah, but I'm going back next week.

    People who don't take personal responsibility for their decisions are really getting on my nerves. I'm not even saying that people need to spend more conservatively. Heck, I overspend my means and have done so long before I started going to casinos, but at least I owe up to it and acknowledge it's my decision to spend while I'm alive rather than oversaving for a lifetime I may never see. But, I just don't get continually spending money on something you don't think you're getting value on. I can appreciate the addictive nature of gambling, too. I sympathize with people who go too far, but the first step in helping yourself is taking the blame on yourself.

    Continually going to a casino that someone thinks is too tight or out to get them is like buying a sofa from a store, complaining that this store overcharges on everything and is a rip-off, and then going back to that store to buy a recliner. Stop going there! It isn't their fault you overspent on the recliner, it's yours!

    Ok, I feel better. Personal responsibility rules!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Coaster View Post

    Continually going to a casino that someone thinks is too tight or out to get them is like buying a sofa from a store, complaining that this store overcharges on everything and is a rip-off, and then going back to that store to buy a recliner. Stop going there! It isn't their fault you overspent on the recliner, it's yours!

    Ok, I feel better. Personal responsibility rules!!
    Yes Uncle Coaster! I see where folks say Cherokee is tight, but they are right back there the next weekend! Find somewhere else! Also, folks complain about CET for this or that reason. However, when it comes time for a trip (like Vegas), they sure do scoop up those CET comped rooms! Or if CET has a big promotion, they are quick to jump on it! There are plenty of other player's club programs out there, if CET is not the one for you! Ok, now I feel better too..lol! Good post UC!
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    Note to self, never wait until the first week of December to try and book a room on NYE. You won't hardly find one anywhere. We've tried Oklahoma and Louisiana casinos.

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